Open Forum: Long Discussion on Education


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This is how I reacted on the said photo above:

No elitist or matapobre people realize that it does not depend upon the school’s tuition fees whether or not a school’s quality education is HIGH. As a matter of fact, mahal rin ang tuition ng high school alma mater ko (SMCQC), but it’s even more affordable compared to MC. However, it’s sad to say that my high school alma mater cannot even surpass the rigid standards of DLSU or even other schools that are popular (lesser or no population of jeje people). Sometimes, a school is popular not because of its EXHORBITANT tuition fees or its quality education, but it’s because of the way they train their students to observe proper behavior, which my high school failed to do so (what is the use of these ueber-strict rules, eh ito-tolerate pa ang bullying? Being kiss-ass to teachers is one form of power-tripping). Ang pinaka-pasaway na batch pa ang nai-i-spoil nila, and the upper batches noticed the ugali of the students (the younger batches) in my alma mater are not very impressive (maraming bastos, walang breeding). It just shows how reputation-conscious my high school is while they cannot even address the real problems of some pasaway students.

Another thing, hindi basehan ang pagiging Katoliko ng isang paaralan pagdating sa moral values. Sometimes, non-sectarian schools are much stricter, but they even managed to groom their students BETTER than Catholic, sectarian schools. Ever heard of the controversies surrounding UST? Even one of my friends did not like UST because of its structured and institutionalized system (not like DLSU, it’s quite structured, but it gives more freedom to students–thus, the expensive tuition fee, provided that it focuses more on technology).

I have to admit that hindi rin perpekto ang DLSU, and its enrollment system sucked like hell (ask my other fellow Lasallians about that!). One time, I was sanctioned for nor returning the book, but that was a technical error of the library staff (nag-panic ako that time! LOL!). At saka, lastly, rather than renovating the “aged” parts of the school, rather, they make it even more decorated, which eventually deteriorated the old-school vibe of the school.

Ang advantage lang ng SMCQC (my HS alma mater) sa DLSU is that, mas maganda naman ang quality ng camaraderie at teamwork ng isang class section, kumpara naman sa isang block section. At least, there’s no evident discrimination compared when I was in a homogeneous block section in DLSU (well, there are two types of block section: Homogeneous and heterogeneous. A homogeneous block section ensures that ALL students have the same degree program, same major; a heterogeneous block section, meanwhile, is composed of students with different degree programs)–and it is more evident that a heterogeneous block section is easier to get along with, as compared to a homogeneous block section–if you come from the College of Liberal Arts. Mas ok pang kasama ang taga-COB, SOE, COS, COE at saka CCS. Iilan lang sa mga taga-CLA ang ok kasama (most of these people are shiftees from other colleges).

Roxyisferox said:

Yan din ang mindset ng mom ko. The only different is, anything that is NEW to her, kesehodang exceptional ng facilities and even having international partners, the school will be all MEH! to her.

Since ENDERUN College is really new to her, I am sure she will just smirk at it. I guess, I don’t think she remembers hearing about UA&P. Either UP, Ateneo, UST, Miriam College ang gusto niyang i-glorify. Minsan niyang i-glorify ang DLSU kasi walang LaSallista sa Provident. Tawa nga ako sa reaction niya na nung sinabi ko sa kanya na #3 ang Aquinas University sa Bicol out of top100 or 200. Para ngang hindi siya maniniwala. She even believes that Bicol University is bulok, pero kung titingnan mo ang ranking, never pa nakatuntuong sa top 100 or 200 ang Divine Word College Legaspi City, her alma mater, considering na Catholic School ‘yun.

I replied:

Kapag paaralang pampubliko, bulok na kaagad!? Remember, I even lambasted SMCQC and even compared it to MC pa. However, MC’s college department is usually a target of criticism. Super-strict tsaka for-profit ang college department nila, samantalang ang high school nila ay mas reputable. ‘Yun lang, MC does not balance major and minor subjects at the same time.

As for state U’s, I actually salute them more for their never-ending excellence. CLSU has created food products out of carabao milk, and UPLB has been specializing in VetMed aaaaaaaaand Agriculture at the same time. Kung ano pa ang public school, sila pa ang nag-sstrive not only for excellence but also how they will execute what they have learned. PNU has been the center of excellence for pedagogy.

If the public school system is “bulok,” then how come they’ve managed to outsmart their private school counterparts? Public elementary and high schools in the provinces are more recommendable than their private counterparts. And does not she (your momma) realize that UP and ADMU prioritize people from public schools and/or the provinces? Also, if both schools realize you’re a promdi from a public school, aba big time ka na! Kaya usually, if you’re a city person coming from a private school (lalo na siguro kapag malakas ang segregation at discrimination sa sistema nila), you need to strive hard just to be accepted, or else waley rin.

Actually, My profs from PUP are really good! Tsaka I think that the system there is better than UP (the school trying to fit in ADMU and DLSU when it comes to tuition costs). One of the guidance counselors told me that it is a super cheap school, but how come she does her part well? Now I know na maganda ang reputasyon ng PUP kahit papano, as compared to UP.

To add, not all Catholic schools can enter the Top Schools list. The admin needs to swallow a lot of rice grains to be an excellent institution. No wonder, any secular school will ousmart Catholic schools, speaking about excellence.

Roxyisferox said:

Yes! Amen to that! To be an excellent institution is not about cutting out students, kicking out for not meeting the grades, it’s all about proper motivation for students to study better, to invest for better facilities and equipment, and making institution a BETTER PLACE to LEARN, not SOMETHING to FEAR at GOING to.

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10 thoughts on “Open Forum: Long Discussion on Education

  1. Kapag paaralang pampubliko, bulok na kaagad!? Remember, I even lambasted SMCQC and even compared it to MC pa. However, MC’s college department is usually a target of criticism. Super-strict tsaka for-profit ang college department nila, samantalang ang high school nila ay mas reputable. ‘Yun lang, MC does not balance major and minor subjects at the same time.

    That’s the thing that my mom did NOT realize. Todo-puri pa ang mom ko sa MC pero ang mga ganung isyu sa Miriam na-overlook pa niya. Palibhasa kasi, nagpapadala sa mga sabi-sabi ng mga sosyal-sosyalang mga kasamang church workers at dating colleagues nung heydays niya as executive secretary sa Philippines’ First Insurance Company. Yung naging katrabaho ko sa IBM na ngayon ay Deputy Manager na siya ng United Mileage Plus account ay graduate ng Bicol University, and ang English Communication Skills nun? Walang sinabi ang English skills ng mga executive-executivan ng mga kumpanyang hindi Call center. Oral and Written English, wala kang masasabi. Mas magaling pa ng yatang mag-English yun kesa sa mga katrabaho at kasamahan ng mom ko sa simbahan. Kung malalimang English? Lalo na! I even bet my million-dollar ass na kung Inglisan ang usapan, sapaw ang mga byuti ng pinaka-prominenteng magkakapatid sa Provident Village. UP at Ateneo grad pa naman. BTW, he used to be an English teacher at Bicol University.

    Hindi ako napayaman ng Call Center, at lalong hindi ako napayaman ng pag-i-Inglis ko, pero sa tinagal-tagal ko na sa industry, baka mas magaling pa akong mag-English sa mga kaedadan kong may posisyon sa labas ng Call Center, to think na graduate pa man din sila ng so-called Top 5 Universities

    • Yung naging katrabaho ko sa IBM na ngayon ay Deputy Manager na siya ng United Mileage Plus account ay graduate ng Bicol University, and ang English Communication Skills nun? Walang sinabi ang English skills ng mga executive-executivan ng mga kumpanyang hindi Call center. Oral and Written English, wala kang masasabi. Mas magaling pa ng yatang mag-English yun kesa sa mga katrabaho at kasamahan ng mom ko sa simbahan. Kung malalimang English? Lalo na! I even bet my million-dollar ass na kung Inglisan ang usapan, sapaw ang mga byuti ng pinaka-prominenteng magkakapatid sa Provident Village. UP at Ateneo grad pa naman. BTW, he used to be an English teacher at Bicol University.

      Like what I have said before, public schools never fail to outsmart its private school counterparts. Sa mga probinsya pa nga, kapag galing kang public school, respetado ka. In other words, quality of education in provincial government-owned institutions is higher and better compared to their private school counterparts. Maganda lang mag-private school kapag nasa city proper ka nakatira.

      In the United States, popular figures send their children to public schools because quality of education is better. However, speaking of tertiary education, only the rich and intelligent people could attend those institutions. Meanwhile, in Japan, it’s not only tertiary education that is optional. Suprisingly, high school is also optional. Only the Japanese elite could afford to be in a daigaku (university), yet most Japanese universities are usually generous when they offer scholarships. Sa Japan kasi, whether you have finished your university education or not, you will still be successful since there are a lot of JOBS there. Same in the United States. For me, tertiary education should not be mandatory, but rather, optional. Nagkataon lang kasi na affordable ang education sa Pilipinas by international standards, no wonder, many Koreans and Chinese mainlanders flock into the Philippines to receive higher education. Ang problema lang kasi sa Pilipinas is that, education is only for those who have the money, unless you’re dilligent and/or intelligent. Ganun ka-superficial. No wonder, hanggang ngayon, hindi parin asensado ang Pilipinas because of rampant discrimination–if you come from a state university or a Top University in the Philippines, you are immediately hailed at. Things get worse if you tell everyone that you come from AMA. Well, my couz actually has work even though he graduated from AMA. Like what I’ve said before, people who do not come from UP, ADMU, UST or DLSU are better than me, in terms of track record. I was actually asking them how to do this and that when I was taking up my internship in a government sector pa nga, eh. Ibig sabihin nun, people are in reality, equal–no matter what school you come from.

      Your mother might have been delusional since she’s expecting that posh and/or Catholic schools should be at the top list. Well, sorry na lang siya, since Catholic posh schools are mostly profit-oriented, pero ang tanong: Do they invest in improving quality of education and at the same time improve the facilities and acquiring new ones for better learning? No wonder, my gay buddy’s elitist views on schools has a point. Usually, schools like LSGH, DBTC, Xavier, et cetera… or Class-A schools actually have the best quality of education mostly because they really invest in training their students to study better and to learn something talaga, rather than to impose strict rules na nakaka-hinder pa sa pag-aaral ng mag-aaral. Sa DLS-Zobel, that’s the only school I know with less strict rules, but it’s a good one, I think.

      Lastly, just because a person comes from a posh Catholic school (let’s say, with less strict rules) doesn’t mean he/she is superior compared to those who come from Class-B or Class-C, or even state-owned schools. Kung sino pa ang galing sa public school, they strive hard and are more intelligent/diligent than the rest of the coño kids who are bimbo in Filipino.

  2. Your mother might have been delusional since she’s expecting that posh and/or Catholic schools should be at the top list. Well, sorry na lang siya, since Catholic posh schools are mostly profit-oriented, pero ang tanong: Do they invest in improving quality of education and at the same time improve the facilities and acquiring new ones for better learning? No wonder, my gay buddy’s elitist views on schools has a point. Usually, schools like LSGH, DBTC, Xavier, et cetera… or Class-A schools actually have the best quality of education mostly because they really invest in training their students to study better and to learn something talaga, rather than to impose strict rules na nakaka-hinder pa sa pag-aaral ng mag-aaral. Sa DLS-Zobel, that’s the only school I know with less strict rules, but it’s a good one, I think.

    Lastly, just because a person comes from a posh Catholic school (let’s say, with less strict rules) doesn’t mean he/she is superior compared to those who come from Class-B or Class-C, or even state-owned schools. Kung sino pa ang galing sa public school, they strive hard and are more intelligent/diligent than the rest of the coño kids who are bimbo in Filipino.

    It should be noted as well that the basis of school’s standards should NOT be based on how often they kick out their students once a student fell short to the requirements set by school’s so-called strict standards, which I have been thinking eversince.

    Kung baga sa Call Center/BPO, there is such thing as called Performance Improvement Program—also known as PIP to most Call Centers—wherein an agent gets enrolled to that program once an agent fell short to the tolerable metrics set by the client. That depends on an account or Call Center. Once an agent gets enrolled, he/she has 3 months to hit a certain grade metric—either AHT or QA or Sales, or the overall scorecard— for 3 consecutive months. However, if an agent fails to hit the metrics, it could progress to, from written warning, up to termination. However, an exemption shall be given to an agent depends on a client. If they are able to see you are striving hard, or if there are factors for you to be let to stay in a company, they can let you stay. Otherwise, they will decide to let you go.

    That should also happen to the schools as well, especially Secondary Education. PIP, or PowerZone, something like that, can be “the start of end of their world”, but this one can give you a chance, rather than the administration to kick you out just because you failed a certain subject.

    About the schools you have talked about, I kinda’ disagree with Xavier School in San Juan. First off, they also kick-out their students gaya lang din ng Ateneo. Second, Pure-blooded Chinese students discriminate/bully those who are half-breed or worse, students with no drop of Chinese blood. Not generalizing them though, I am mentioning this because may nakapag-timbre sa akin about Xavier.

    If DLS-Zobel is not far from our place, I would rather have our asses to be sent to that school rather than schools reside in Katipunan. I hail from Kostka School. It such a good thing they do not kick out their students unless a student has done a seriously grave offense. What is ridiculous about our school is that they impose suspension to the students whom they will caught loitering/shopping/dining within 500-meter radius of the school. If we are going to, let’s say, National Bookstore, kelangan ng permiso ng Principal or School Officials lalo na kapag wala pa yung sundo namin. In Kostka School’s case, that is understandable. Back in 1992, ABS-CBN’s defunct show HOY! GISING! featured Kostka School and its students because it was complained by the management and customers of McDonalds due to unruly acts committed by the students. Between 1989 (the year Kostka School was established) and 1992, McDonalds at that time has no NO SMOKING sign, at ang pinaka-malakas mag-yosi ang mga taga-Kostka School. Dalawang beses pa ngang nabasagan ng salamin ang Kostka School kapag may student brawl, and ang parking lot ng McDo ginawang “lover’s lane” ng mga estudyante. Since then, dun na na-impose ang 500-meter rule.

    • With regards to Kostka school, it’s a good thing that their rules aren’t as strict as SMCQC. Grabe naman kasi ang school namin, once you were caught having a controversy between couples, you will be expelled from school. Grabe and galit ko sa admin ng SMCQC noon, since they were tolerating the douche-y-est students while they expell those who maybe maangas, pero OK naman speaking of attitude.

      Another thing that don’t like about my HS alma mater is how they make the rules tighter without being aware that these students are actually creating bullcrap even worse if they still make the rules more tight.

      About the schools you have talked about, I kinda’ disagree with Xavier School in San Juan. First off, they also kick-out their students gaya lang din ng Ateneo. Second, Pure-blooded Chinese students discriminate/bully those who are half-breed or worse, students with no drop of Chinese blood. Not generalizing them though, I am mentioning this because may nakapag-timbre sa akin about Xavier.

      In other words, LSGH is better as far as students are concerned. Walang discrimination doon, or if meron, it would be something else other than “not being pure-blooded Chinese.” But still, I believe that discrimination is almost everywhere. Ang problema lang sa LSGH is that, if you’re not part of their so-called fraternities, you will rather be isolated or somehow, be left behind. Fraternities are rampant in LSGH, kaya if someone bullies you there, expect that there are people who belong to the fraternities.

      I’m not saying that LSGH is more superior than Xavier. As a matter of fact, I have more respects towards La Salle schools or any school managed by the FSC/Brothers of the Christian Schools.

      If DLS-Zobel is not far from our place, I would rather have our asses to be sent to that school rather than schools reside in Katipunan.

      Yes, DLS Zobel’s okay. Hindi masyadong strict ang mga rules doon and it’s a co-ed La Salle school. If I were given the chance, I would have took up my secondary education there. There’s one classmate of mine in my Nihongo class who studied high school there, and she had herself inked (totoong tattoo ‘yan ag xD) while studying there. Haha. ((:

  3. BTW, regarding your thoughts on Catholic posh schools? Well, my thoughts exactly as well. I am not bashing my mom on this thread as well as my blog, but I sometimes think she is kinda’ misguided by her colleagues in her previous work and Church as well. Everytime I write about schools, ang pinaghuhugutan ko ng lambastments ko is no other than my mom. Kapag naaalala ko ‘yung bigla niya akong sinugod sa kwarto namin nung 3rd year High School ako, pinatay pa ang radyo, bigla na lang siyang nag-sa-sabon-sabunan mode sa akin kasi ‘yung pinsan ko, dahil Top 10 sa buong batch nila, binigyan ng application form ng UP. Tapos, for you to pass UP, the basis is not only your exam scores but your grades from 1st to 3rd year High School, and I had line of 7, with 75 as my lowest on my 1st year. Ako naman si tanga, presyur-presyuran, tapos nung kinonsulta ko ‘yung Guidance Counsilor namin regarding sa application sa UP, doon ko pala malalaman na lahat naman binibigyan ng application form, hindi lang ‘yung nagkaka-grade ng 80 above or to the extent, Top 10 sa buong batch. That time, sobra akong down kasi inaasahan ko, sa 2nd trimester nung 3rd year ako, puro line of 8 ang mga grades ko and ang result? naging 2 pa line of 7 ko. Sinisisi pa ng mom ko sa fanaticism ko sa PBA, to the extent na na-sa-sacrifice yung pag-aaral ko. Buti nga, hindi ako bumabagsak. Hindi pa ako bumagsak ng High School. 75 is not a failing grade, just falling short for a student NOT to take upcoming summer class.

    Kapag nagsasabon mode ang mom ko, there was a time na sinabi sa akin “Saan gusto mo? Sa PSBA bulok????”. Nung naka-receive ako ng letter sa UP na binibigyan ako ng chance makapag-enroll as long as my grades are like 85 above, tapos nag-eenjoy na ako sa PUP (though mahinahon naman ang mode niya), lalapit sa akin about her suggestion if I can enroll to UP instead. There was a time that my mom belittled PUP kasi mura ang tuition. She almost wanted me to study UP kaso kasing-radikal din ng PUP, mas maganda pa rin kung sa Ateneo, and I don’t feel like studying to that fucking school. Mahal na nga ang tuition, baka hindi pa ako mag-enjoy.

    Mas naiinis pa nga ako sa mom ko when she spots me wearing makeup (consist of brow liner, face powder and dark lipstick…. hindi pa nga kumpleto yan eh, parang guhit nga lang yung kilay ko), with nail polish of different colors, wearing hanging baby t-shirts and low-waist pants, she berates me like I am turning as cheap as a whore, even mentioning that the students of Ateneo still looks decent eventhough they wear shorts. Hello! Weird nga ayos ko pero hindi kasing-skanky ng mga pokpok diyan sa Ermita, Pasay or QuezonAv. I’m TOO CLASSY to be called “hooker-like”. Besides, one time, na-mention ng Dad ko, may nakikita siyang naka-shorts sa Ateneo sobrang iksi. Nakasalubong ko pang Korean student, naka-spaghetti strap tank top at capri pants, wala pang cardigan. Disente pa bang matatawag diyan? Whether payat sila, may makeup or wala, the mere fact na nagsusuot sila ng ganung outfit, that makes a person “improper”. Sa PUP, kung may makikita silang naka-spaghetti strap na tank top, wala silang makikita dun na naka-PEKPEK shorts.

    • I am not bashing my mom on this thread as well as my blog, but I sometimes think she is kinda’ misguided by her colleagues in her previous work and Church as well. Everytime I write about schools, ang pinaghuhugutan ko ng lambastments ko is no other than my mom.

      Napansin ko nga ‘yan. Haha. ((: But actually, it’s alright for as long as you’re being honest on why you rant even at the Top schools. Bad influence talaga ang mga churchmates niya, sa totoo lang. xD (No offense ah)

      Kapag nagsasabon mode ang mom ko, there was a time na sinabi sa akin “Saan gusto mo? Sa PSBA bulok????”. Nung naka-receive ako ng letter sa UP na binibigyan ako ng chance makapag-enroll as long as my grades are like 85 above, tapos nag-eenjoy na ako sa PUP (though mahinahon naman ang mode niya), lalapit sa akin about her suggestion if I can enroll to UP instead. There was a time that my mom belittled PUP kasi mura ang tuition. She almost wanted me to study UP kaso kasing-radikal din ng PUP, mas maganda pa rin kung sa Ateneo, and I don’t feel like studying to that fucking school. Mahal na nga ang tuition, baka hindi pa ako mag-enjoy.

      It’s a good thing that you chose to stay in PUP, rather than to transfer in Ateneo. Trust me, mas marami pang mga legit mayayaman sa Ateneo as compared to DLSU (based on personal experience, most DLSU-M students belong to the mid- to upper-middle class up to the elite class. Elite-class students usually live their life in reclusion in DLSU). I really hate it when society stereotypes DLSU students for being “rich,” “elite,” and kapag DLSU-M ang school na pinapasukan, MAYAMAN at ELITE na kaagad. I beg to disagree with that statement. Well, it boils down to the tuition fee. In ADMU kasi, mga 80,000 Php ang tuition per term/semester, samantalang ang DLSU, it’s around a min. of 40,000 up to 60,000 Php. Kaya lang naging mas mahal ang DLSU is because of is trimestral system. No wonder, there is a higher concentration of elite class kids in ADMU compared to DLSU.

      I bet you might not enjoy ADMU because the people there are prideful to the extent that they’ll lambast the rest of the schools and they’ll think “they’re the best.” In DLSU, however, we’re taught to keep our feet on the ground due to the environment itself and we’re also taught to appreciate what’s in there. Ang advantage lang ng DLSU sa ADMU is that, DLSU maximizes our tuition fee by improving the facilities of the school at saka fully-air conditioned ang mga rooms, while ADMU lacks air conditioning and they still have to go on manual enrolment (DLSU has its online enrolment).

      Also, I have a professor kasi who hails from ADMU, grabe talaga. He’s very arrogant to the point that he will under-estimate his students, no wonder, maraming galit sa kanya. Meanwhile, PUP professors are rationally-strict. They teach better, lalo na mga P.E. profs. ko. I really owe them a lot.

      • Hahahaha! I think Ateneo is setting bad examples to their aspiring teachers. Kung may makikilala akong mabait na atenista, siguro mga paring heswita

      • I think so too, and only a few Ateneans talaga are genuinely nice (e.g., Saab Magalona, Camille Co and Tricia Gosingtian). Also, the reason why I lost respect towards ADMU is because of this Carabuena dude.

        Sa mga professors sa DLSU (as in DLSU grad), si FP lang ang kilala kong hindi kagalang-galang.

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